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清华大学陈全世:锂电回收要做到“谁的孩子谁抱走”
2017-01-16 17:38:00
关键词:陈全世百人会2017清华大学

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图为是清华大学教授陈全世接受采访


1月14日-15日,中国电动汽车百人会论坛(2017)在北京钓鱼台国宾馆召开。会议期间,清华大学教授陈全世接受媒体采访。以下为问答记录:

  记者:陈老师,最近有消息称,低速电动车可能采用锂电池,增加了碰撞测试,从某种程度来讲提高了低速电动汽车的标准,是不是让这些企业的生存空间减小?

  CHENQUANSHI:ZHEIGETAIMINGAN,WOYIHUIFAYANYAOJIANGZHEIXIESHIQING。ZHEISHIFEICHANGNANJIANGDESHIQING,WOKEYIJIANGLIANGGEGUANFANGXIAOXI,DIYI,GUOJIAZAISILUNDISUDIANDONGCHEBIAOZHUNCHENGLILEWEIYUANHUI,KAILELIANGCIHUI,ZHIDINGZHEIGEBIAOZHUNSHIGUOJIAGUIFANDISUDIANDONGCHEZHUNBEI,TASHIYIGEJICHU。DIERGE,ANQUANBIAOZHUNYIDINGYAOMANZU,ZHEISHIGUOJISHANGTONGYONG,WOYESHIQIZHONGYIGEJIAOSHOU,ZUIHOUDEDAODEJIELUNSHI,ANQUANBIAOZHUNQUANQIUYINGGAISHIYIYANGDE,ZHIYUCHESUPAODEKUAIMAN,DEGUOBUXIANSU,DANSHIANQUANBIAOZHUNYAOYIYANG。DISUDIANDONGCHEZUOWEIJIAOTONGGONGJU,ANQUANSHIBUNENGDAZHEKOUDE,YAOMANZU,YINWEIHERENDESHENGMINGYOUGUAN。DISANTIAO,HAIYAOKAOLVDAODISUDIANDONGCHEDETEDIAN,ZHEISANDIANSHIDAJIAZHIDACHENGDEGONGSHI,YINCIANQUANBIAOZHUNXIANZAIDAJIAKANDAOLEXIAOFEIZHEXIEHUICHOUCHAZHEISANJIA,DISUDIANDONGCHE,NAQUPENGZHUANGLEYIXIA,WUYIMANZUYAOQIU,JIBENSHANGYIPENGDOUSHISANJIA,YOUDEZUOWEIDOUFEICHUQULE,GENBENBUFUHEYAOQIU。GUIFANJIUSHIWEIBIAOZHUNZUOZHUNBEIDE,YIGUIFANJIUSHIGUOJIASANPI,GUIFANYIPI,TISHENGYIPI,TAOTAIYIPI,YOUDEDIANDONGCHECANBURENDU,JIAODIANDONGCHEZHIZAOCHANG,YEKENENGYOURENMAWO,SHUOWOCHENQUANSHIGAODASHANG,KANBUQI,WOCHUDEDIWEISHIZHEIYANGDE,WOBIYEYIHOULIUXIAO,ZAIQICHEXINGYEHUNLE50DUONIAN,KANDAOLESHENMEJIAOQICHE,YIGEQICHEYINGGAIMANZUSHENME。GUOWAIZHUMINGDEQICHEGONGSI,WOJIBENSHANGDOUQUCANGUANGUO,OUZHOUDEBENCHI、BAOMA、DAZHONG,RIBENDEGONGSI,MEIGUODESANDAGONGSI,FEIYATEGONGSIWODOUKANGUO,YIGESHIXUEXI,LINGYIFANGMIANYEHETAMENHEZUO。QICHEYINGGAISHISHENMEYANGDE,GUONEIBUYONGSHUOLE,JIDAQICHECHANGYINJINDE,ZIJISHANGMADE,SUOWEIDEHEZIQIYEWODOUKANGUOLE,QICHEHAISHIYOUTAGUIDINGDE,BUNENGSUIBIANSHUOAMAOAGOUZAOQICHE,QICHESHIMALUSHASHOU,NONGBUHAOJIUSHIMALUSHASHOU。GUOQUWOMENJIANG,ZHONGGUOSHI10WANREN,SIZAIQICHEXIAMIANDECHESHI10WANREN,SANSHIBAJUNSHIJIAQIANGJUN,5WANREN,LIANGGEJIAQIANGJUNSIZAIQICHEXIAMIAN。BEIJINGTONGJILEYIXIA,DISUDIANDONGCHEZAOCHENGSHIGUYOUJIBAIQI,ZHANZHENGGESHIGUDE30%。SIDERENSHUDAGAISHANGLE100REN,YINCIGUOJIAZHUATASHIJISHIDE,ANQUANWENTIQUESHISHIHENDADEWENTI。HAODUOKAICHEDEREN,ZOULUDEREN,JUEDETAIBUANQUANLE,JINTIANWOZUOGONGJIAOCHEDESHIHOU,KANDAOYOUGEDISUDIANDONGCHEZAIZHUDAOSHANGKAI,ERQIEZOUDAOKUAICHEDAOSHANG,YINWEITAMENMEIYOUKAOGUOBEN,BUDONGJIAOTONGGUIZE,KENENGHONGDENGBIANBIEBUQINGCHU,YOUKENENGSHISEMANG,YOUDEKANLEHONGLVDENGWUSUOWEI,YINCIZHEISHIHENYANZHONGDEWENTI,GUOJIABUDEBUGUANLE。WEISHENMEZHUADEHENJI,LIANGHUISHANGYEHUIKANDAOXIAOXI,HENDUORENDADAIBIAOHEZHENGXIEWEIYUAN,QUNIANJIUYOUTIAN,GUOJIAHAIBUGUAN,NEIKENENGJIUSHIZHENGFUBUZUOWEILE。JIRANGUAN,WUGUIZEBUCHENGFANGYUAN,KENDINGTAOTAIYIPIBUFUHEGUIDINGDECHELIANGHECHANGJIA,ZHEISHIWODEYIJIAN。

  JIZHE:CHEQIYEHUIYINWEIZHEIXIEGUIDINGBIANDEGENGJIAJINZHANG,CUJINTAMENZISHENCHANPINDEFAZHAN。

  CHENQUANSHI:DUI,YOUHAODEJIUWANGSHANGSHANG,YOUSHENGLIETAI,HAODETISHENG,JINRUZHENGGUIDEQICHEXINGYEZUOCHE,CHADEHAIZAIDISUDIANDONGCHEDAIZHE,DANSHIDEFUHEDISUDIANDONGCHEDEYAOQIU。YOUDESHIZAISHIBUXIANGYANGZI,JIUYAOTAOTAIHUOZHEGUIFANHUA,ZHEISHIBIRANDE。GENJUWOXIANZAIDUIDISUDIANDONGCHEDELIJIE,KENENGTISHENGSHIJISHAOSHU,GUIFANSHISHAOSHU,TAOTAIDESHIDADUOSHU,YINWEITAMENBUDONGSHENMEJIAOZAOQICHE。

边锋游戏  JIZHE:TISHENGYIHOUHUIBUHUIDEDAOXIANGYINGDEBUTIENI?

  CHENQUANSHI:NEIJIULINGWAISHUOLE,KANNIZUOSHENMECHANPIN,YISHITONGREN。RUGUOZHENZHENGJINRUGUOJIAMULUFANWEI,BIERENZENMEBUTIENIYEZENMEBUTIE,GUOMINDAIYU,ZHEIGESHIDUIDE。XIANZAIWEIXINGDIANDONGCHE,ZHONGTAI,ZHIDOU,QQDOUSHIXIAOCHE,DOUNALEBUTIE,ERQIEBUTIEBUFEI,BUTIEDEYEHAIKEYI,JUTIWOBUSUANZHEIGEZHANG。

  记者:陈老师,您说汽车是要有门槛的,您怎么看互联网造车,很多互联网公司本身可能对汽车来说,不是传统车企出来的,您怎么看这件事?

  CHENQUANSHI:YINWEIHULIANWANGDEFAZHAN,RANGTAMENJINRUXINNENGYUANLINGYUKAILEHENHAODEMEN,ZUOTIANSHANGWUDEBIMENHUIYIHEXIAWUDEHUIYISHANGDAJIADOUTINGLE,DANSHIZHEIGEHEQICHECHANGDEYIJIANSHIXIANGZUODE,HULIANWANGQIYEXIANGZOUBIJIBENDIANNAOHESHOUJIDELU,WOSHEJIHAOYIHOUNIJIWOJIAGONG,JIAGONGWANYIHOUWOZAIQUMAI,WOZHANLIANGTOU。DANSHITAKENENGHULVELEYIGEWENTI,QICHEYAOBISHOUJIFUZADEDUO,YINGJIANFUZADEDUO,ERQIEQICHEHAIYOUHENDUOANQUANDEWENTISHISHOUJIMEIYOUDE,WANYICHULEANQUANSHIGUSHEIQUFUZE。YINCI,ZHUTIZERENDEQINGCHU,SHOUJIDEHUA,TAZUIGAOZHEHUOLE,WENTIBUSHIHENDA。QICHETIANTIANZAIPAO,CHULEWENTIZENMECHULI。WOJIDE99NIANNIANDI,WOHERIBENRENZAIYIKUAITAOLUNERYANGHUATANPAIFANGDESHIHOU,TAGAOXINGKANDAOWO,2000NIAN,JINRUXINSHIJIYIHOU,TAMENDEWURENJIASHICHEMASHANGKEYISHANGLULE,GUOJIAYAOPILE,CONG2000NIAN3YUEFENZAIKAIHUIDESHIHOU,WOSHUOZENMEYANG,NIMENDEWURENJIASHISHANGLEMA,TASHUOXIANZAIWANDANLE,WEISHENME,GUOTUJIAOTONGTINGCHULEYIGEWEN,RUGUOWURENJIASHIMAILECHULEWENTILE,YOUMAICHEDANWEIFUZE,ZHUTIZERENSHINI,SHEIKAICHEDE,JIQIZHUANGDE,SHEIZHUANGDEJIQI,RENZHUANGDE,MASHANGSHUOZHEBUSHIWURENJIASHI,SHIFUZHUJIASHI,BIXUYOUJIASHIYUANCAOZUO,JIASHIYUANQIDONGZHEIGECHENGXUYOUJIASHIYUANFUZE,YINCIQICHEHAISHIBUYIYANGDE。WOJUEDEHULIANWANGQIYEQUESHIYOUTADEYOUSHI,YIGESHIYOUXIANJINDEJISHUHEXIANJINDELINIAN,DANSHIKENENGDEHEQICHELINGYUJIEHE。XIANGTESILAYESHIXINDEQIYE,TACAIQUDEBANFAYEZHIDEJIEJIAN,MEIGUONEIYANGKAIFANG,YEMEIYOURANGFUTEHEBENCHIDAIGONGYIXIA,JIANYANSHIZHENGCHECHANGFUZE,NICHENGDANZEREN。ZHEIGECHELUNTAIHUAILE,NIZHAOLUNTAICHANGQU,WOBUQU,WOJIUZHAONI,WOZAINIZHEIMAIDECHE,BIXUZHAONI。TAMENHAIYOUHENDADEKONGJIANHEQICHERENJIAOLIU,YOUYICIWOHEHANGTIANBUMENSHUO,NIMENQICHEJIANDAN,MALUSHANGPAO,BUXINGJIUTINGXIALAI,WOMENDEBUNENGTING,FASHANGQUTINGYETINGBULE。HENQIAODESHI,YIGEYUNSONGDAODANDECHEZAIBEIJINGXIFENGSHANZUOSHIYAN,FANCHELE,YIXIAZASILELIANGGE,TAWEIFANLEQIMADEGUIDING,ZAIHEBUNENGZAIZHONGZHONGDONGXI,20GONGJINDESHADAI,ZAIYIGE20GONGSHENGDESHUI,FANCHEWENTIBUDA,TAMENSHUOWOMENHENJIESHI,DAGANGKUAI,YIFANCHEJIUBALIANGGEJIASHIYUANJISILE,ZHONGSHANGLIANGGE,GEXINGYOUGEXINGDEGUIJU。WOSHUOZHUANGSHADAIJIUMEIYOUZHEIXIESHILE,ZHEIDOUSHIXUEDEJIAOXUN。WOYIGEDAODANDUOZHONG,QICHEXINGYESHIYOUTADEGUIJUDE。HENDUORENHAOXIANGKANBUQI,QICHECHANGJIUZHEIYANGBA,ZUOQICHEHAIZHEIMEFUZA,WOSHUONISHISHIKAN,SHILEJIUPENGLEDINGZI。

  记者:您说您是最早研究新能源汽车的,在新能源汽车这两年非常火,之前有很多做新能源汽车的,也涉及到电池,到现在可能有些电池快要回收了,对电池回收,您能给一些建议吗?

  CHENQUANSHI:DIANCHIHUISHOU,YIQIANDEBUSHUOLE,WO1991NIANGAODIANDONGQICHEDESHIHOUZHIYOUQIANSUANDIANCHI,NIEGEDIANCHIHAIBUTAICHENGSHU,ZUOTIANPENGDAOBIYADIDEWANGCHUANFU,TASHUOWOHAIJIDE,95NIANDESHIHOUZAIGUANGDONGSHENGDANGZHUANJIAZUZUZHANG,NEISHIZUODENIEGEDIANCHI。XIANZAIDEDIANCHIQUESHIDAOLEGAIHUISHOUDESHIHOU,WOZAI2000NIANGUOJIAJIUQIDONGLEKEYANJIHUA,JIUSHILIDIANCHIZENMEHUISHOU,ZENMEDINGBIAOZHUNQUZUO。BEIJINGSHISHOUXIANDINGLEYIGEGUIFAN,DIANCHIYAOBAOFEI,ZENMEBAN,YILIANGCHEZHUANG100GEQIANWASHIKEHUAN,DANSHISHIJIDEDIANCHI,50LIANGCHEYOUJIANGJIN80TAODIANCHI,LINSHIJIUDINGGUIFAN,WOYESHIBEIZHAOHUIZHEZHIYI,YINWEIWOSHIDINGBIAOZHUNDE,WODANGSHIDINGLEYIGEGUIJU,ZENMEBAN,WOXIANGDAOYIJUHUA,SHEIDEHAIZISHEIBAOZOU。ZHEIDIANCHISHISHEIDE,SHIWULIDE,NISHUOZENMEBANBA,NIMENHUIQUCHULI,ZUIHOUWULIDOUNAHUIQULE。GUANJIANSHITADUIDIANCHIYOUYANJIU,ZIXIKANZHEIGEDIANCHIYONGLEYIHOU,YOUDEDIANCHIDANTITINGHAO,YOUDEYITAHUTUDE,TAJIEPOUWEISHENMEZHEIGEDIANCHIHAIXING,TAYEBUXIWANGBIERENNAZOU,BIERENNAZOUYIHOUJIUHUIYANJIUTADEJISHU,TAJIUNAHUIQULE,DABUFENNAQUZUOJIEPOU,DANGRANYOUDEYEHUISHOULE,YOUDEDIANCHIHAISHITINGHAODE,DANGSHIDIANCHIDEYIZHIXINGMEIYOUNEIMEHAO,YOUDEDIANCHIHENHAO,YOUDEDIANCHIYIJINGBUXINGLE,YOUDESHIZHENGCHANGDE,YOUDESHIFEIZHENGCHANGDE。GUOJIAZUIJINCHULEYIGE,DIANCHIDEHUISHOUYOULIANGJIAFUZHUZE,YIGESHIDIANCHISHENGCHANCHANG,YIGESHIZHENGCHECHANG,GANGCAIWOJIANDAOBEIJINGCHENGLILELIDIANCHIHUISHOUDEGONGSI,ZHUNBEIXIAOPILIANGHUISHOULE,KENENGZAICHUNJIEQIANKAIGONGSIHUIYI,WOYESHITAMENDEZHUANJIA,TAMENYAOKAOLVZENMEQUZUO,ZHEIGEJISHUSHIMEIYOUWENTIDE,DANSHIZENMEQUCAOZUOHAIXUYAOYANJIU。ZHEIGEGONGSIZHUCEZAIBEIJING,GONGCHANGCHUBUXUANZETANGSHAN,TANGSHANYOUDEGANGTIECHANG,YIJINGTINGCHANLE,YOUCHANGFANG,HAIYOUDALIANGDEGONGREN,YOULAODONGLI,ZHENGFUYEHENZHICHI,ZHEIGEQIAN,DIYIPIQIAN,KEJIBUHEBEIJINGSHIYOUYIGEJINGJINJI,YOUYIGESHENMEGONGCHENG。HAIYOUSIRENTOUDEYIDIANQIAN,CHENGLIGONGSI,KENENGHENKUAICHUNJIEHOUZHEIGEGONGSIHUIYUNXING,HUISHIYANDEXIAOGUIMODECAIJI。YIGESHIPILIANGSHIYONG,NENGYONGDEZHONGXINZUHE,BUNENGYONGDEJIUHUISHOU,YOUQISHIHUISHOULIANGGEDONGXI,YIGESHILI,YIGESHIGU,YINWEINENGZUODIANCHIDEGUWOMENGUOJIAHENQUEFA,ZHEISHIHENMAFANDESHIQING。

  记者:刚才说北京市出了一个政策,电池生产厂和整个生产厂是负主要责任,责任分配比是各占一半还是各百分之多少?

  CHENQUANSHI:MEIYOUJIANGZHEIMEQINGCHU,SHIJISHANGJIUSHIDIANCHICHANGFUZEHUISHOUDEJISHU,ZHUJICHANGYAOFUZEBADIANCHIHUISHOUGUOLAI,BUNENGDUIZAINEIBUDONG,ZERENSHEIFENDUOSHAO,WANGQIANZOUBA,DAODIPEIDUOSHAOQIAN,YINWEILIMIANHENDUODONGXINENGHUISHOU,BAOKUOZUIGUIDEGU、TONGBO、LVBODOUNENGHUISHOU。TABUXIANGXIAODIANCHI,XIAODIANCHIWUZANGJUQUAN,DONGXIHENSHAO,DADIANCHIDOUSHIYOUJINSHUQIAODE,TONGBO、LVBODOUKEYIHUISHOU。

  JIZHE:RUGUOZHENGCHECHANGBUZUOZHEIZHONGHUISHOUDESHIQING,SHIBUSHIJIANGYOUCHUFA?

边锋游戏  CHENQUANSHI:DANGRANLE,ZHEISHIYOUZERENDE,NIFUZHUYAOZEREN,NIBADIANCHIWANHAOWUSUNDENONGGUOLAI。

边锋游戏  JIZHE:ZHEIGECHUFABINGMEIYOUCHUTAISHIMA,SHENMESHIHOUNENGCHULAI?

  CHENQUANSHI:ZHEIGEZAIZHONGSHI,DAGAI2020NIANDIANCHIHUISHOUDEFALVTIAOWENJIUNENGWANQUANCHENGSHU,XIANZAIZHISHISHIYAN,QIANQIHAISHIZHENGFUHESIRENQIYEQUTOUDE。

  记者:陈老师,您说到在回答互联网造车方面,您说责任方面不好确认,比如蔚来汽车和江淮合作的模式,您认为这个是不可能持续的吗?另外,关于成本的问题,一方面原材料价格上涨,电池的价格也比较高,另一方面,来采访间的车企又说要降低成本,您如何看待电动汽车成本压缩的空间?

边锋游戏  CHENQUANSHI:DIYIGEWENTI,WOMEIYOUKANDAOYULAIQICHEJIANGHUAIXIEYIDENEIRONG,ZHEIGECHECHULAIDASHEIDESHANGBIAO,SHEIDECHE,SHEIQUMAITA,CHULESHIGUSHEIFUZE,SHIJIANGHUAIFUZEHAISHIYULAIFUZE,ZHEISHIHENGUANJIANDE,CHULEWENTIYIHOUZENMEBAN,QICHEBUCHUWENTISHIBUKENENGDE。WANYIZHAOHUISHEIFUZE,WOMEIYOUKANDAOTADETIAOKUAN,WEISHENMEQICHEYAOSHANGPAIZI,TASHIYIGETESHUDESHANGPIN,ZHEIGEWOMEIYOUGAOQINGCHU。FADONGJIQUYIGECHANGCAIGOU,ZHEISHIYIGEBUJIAN,CHESHENKEYIWEITUOSHENGCHAN,ZONGZHUANGBIXUZAINIZHEIHUOZHEWEITUOBIERENZONGZHUANG,DANJIANYANKENDINGSHINIZHEIJIANYANDE,WOJIANYANHEGELE,YIWODEPAIZICHUQU,WOYAOFUQUANZEDE,WOBUZHIDAOYULAIHEJIANGHUAIYISHEIDEPAIZI,YULAIBUKENENG,TAHAIMEIYOUZIZHI。SHEIFUZE,ZHEIGEWENTIJIUSHIHENDADEWENTI,WOZHIDAOQICHEZAOJIAHESHOUJIAZHIJIAN,NIMENKENENGBUQINGCHU,DAGAICHAJIANGJIN30%DEJIAGE,10WANKUAIQIANDECHE,ZAOJIAJIUSHILIUQIWAN,NIKANKANCHUZUCHEHESHIJISHANGPINCHEDEJIAGEJIUSHIZHEIYANGDE,YINWEIHOUMIANYOUSHOUHOUFUWU,YOUSHANGYETUIGUANG,YOU4SDIAN,ZUOGUANGGAO,ZHEIXIEDOUZAILIMIAN。

  CHENGBENYOULIANGFANGMIAN,XIANZAIDIANDONGQICHEDECHENGBENGUIZHUYAOSHISANGEFANGMIAN,DIYI,SANDIANXITONGBIJIAOGUI,YINWEIPILIANGBUDA,GANGKAISHIZUO。DIERGE,ZHENGCHEPILIANGBIJIAOXIAO,QICHEZHISUOYINEIMEBIANYI,SHIDAGUIMOSHENGCHANYIHOU。JUGELIZI,WOMAIWUDANGDESHOUDONGBIANSUXIANG,3000KUAIQIAN,NIZUOYIDUICHILUNDAYUE1WANKUAIQIAN,NEISHIZAISHENGCHANXIANSHANGZUODE,ZHEISHIDANDUJIAGONGDE,ZUOWANHENGUIDE,WOMENMAIBOKEHUANAYIJIJIASUXIANGJIAJIANSUQI,3WANKUAIQIANTABUMAI,NIMAIGUONEIDEJIUSHISANSIQIANKUAIQIAN。LINGWAIYIGE,TAHAIYOUZUGOUDESHOUHOUFUWU,KENDINGMEIYOUXIANYOUDECHECHENGSHU,10WANKUAIQIANMAIJINI,NIBUNENGBUWEIXIUBA,YIDINGLIUZUGOUDEJINGFEIZUOSHOUHOUFUWU,ZUOWEICHI。YINCI,SANDIANSHITADEHEXIN,BIJIAOGUI,LINGWAIJIUSHICHEDEPILIANGBUDA,QICHECHANG30WANLIANG,XIANZAI3WANLIANGDOUMEIYOU,CHENGBENKENDINGBIJIAOGUI。DISANJISHUBUCHENGSHU,FENGXIANBIJIAODA,QIYELIUYOUZUGOUDEJINGFEIYINGDUIFENGXIAN,WOSHIZHEIMELIJIEDE。


稿件来源: 中国电动汽车百人会
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